Grand Rounds Recap 9.2.2020


history of stroke and reperfusion WITH Dr. kreitzer

The story of how it all happened...

  • Epidemiology of Stroke

    • 800K people are effected per year

    • 87% are ischemic strokes

    • 5th leading cause of death, and 3rd leading cause in women

    • Annual cost is $34 billion

  • Complications from stroke

    • Infections

    • Depression

    • Limb contractures and pain

    • DVT/PE

    • Costs to the family and society

  • Approximately 2400 years ago Hippocrates: 

    • Described Apoplexy

      • A disease “to strike down with violence, a swift and terrible act  by the gods”

      • Thought to be due to a plethora of body humors

  • 1600-1800

    • 1600: 

      • William Harvey described the circulation of the brain

      • Stroke was thought to be due to obstruction due to “blood lacking animal spirits”

    • 1700s: 

      • Stroke was accepted as a vascular disease

    • 1800s:

      • Crude CEAs were performed 

    • No real stroke treatments, not treated differently than a psychiatric disease

  • 1800s and Beyond

    • Still called apoplexy: when a patient falls to the ground and the person is struck instantaneously as if struck by lightning.

    • 1928: blood vessel syndromes are recognized

    • 1929: first cerebral angiogram

    • 1950: NINDS as part of the NIH to treat neurologic and psychiatric casualties of WWII was created

    • Lytic therapy

      • 1933: first recognized that lytics could dissolve fibrin clots

      • 1946: tPA was described by danish researchers

      • 1958: first use of lytic in stroke patients

      • 1970s: animal models for breaking up clots

      • 1986: lytics for MI were approved by the FDA

      • Lytics fell out of favor due to early studies that used a slow perfusion long after the onset of the stroke

      • 1972: head CT was available which lead to the next advancements

  • Modern Stroke research: 

    • 1981 was the seminal research in primates: 

      • Closed the MCA and reopened it

      • Measured cerebral blood flow

      • Defined the concept of “penumbra” 

        • That some neurons can be saved 

    • Stroke Care in the 1980s:

      • Focus was on rehabilitation

      • No concept of a “window” of time 

    • There was still a need for a tool for reporting clinical exams in research

      • The NIHSS - was created as a tool to communicate findings

    • 1983: Posterior strokes with streptokinase infused 

      • After this more work was done to evaluate and characterize lytics

    • NINDS Phase 3

      • Many animal studies coming out about acute ischemic stroke and tPA 

      • 1988 was the perfect time: 

        • Cell phones

        • Pilot tPA study was completed

        • NIHSS was developed

      • Model of the Rapid Stroke team was developed in Cincinnati

        • Regional and multi-disciplinary

        • Used early cell phones

        • Enrolled the patients in the NINDS phase III study

        • Used a trauma model where every minute counts 

      • Part 1

        • Enrolled patients within 90 mins

      • Part 2

        • Enrolled patients within 91-180 minutes 

        • All to look at different doses and ability to enroll

      • December 1995 trial was published

        • FDA gave tPA approval

        • 624 patients

          • No significant difference in improvement at 24 hours

          • Significant improvement at 3 months based on 4 outcome measures

            • NIHSS

            • Barthel index

            • Modified Rankin

            • GCS

          • No significant different in death

          • NNT of 7

        • Shorter time to treatment showed more favorable outcomes

        • Criticisms of this study:

          • Subjects in the later time frames had less severe strokes in the tPA group

            • This was due to patient recruitment

          • Funding by the people who created tPA

          • Lack of 24 hour benefit

          • Up to ⅕ may have not had a stroke 

          • Hard to blind tPA as it looks different that saline

        • Many other studies that do not show the same benefits

          • Though a lot of them used different agents and different inclusion/exclusion

        • Policy and Controversy

          • “Brain Attack” campaign was immediately launched

          • AHA rapidly incorporated tPA

          • AHA was getting funding from Genentech

            • Some on the panel did not disclose relationships for speaking

      • Stroke care is nuanced: 

        • Changes have been made in future studies due to the criticisms 

        • Some critiques are not valid

          • Any hemorrhage is a bad outcome: not true 

          • Neurons die within 3-6 mins after they lost blood: penumbra exists

  • Hurdles that were still to overcome:

    • Policy change and reimbursement

      • For 10 years after the FDA approval only 1-1.5% were treated

        • No infrastructure was in place

        • Big change for neurologists

          • No money for stroke infrastructure

      • Guidelines to improve care were made

        • Stroke care is better when care is delineated by what hospitals are capable of 

  • How to make us better:

    • Devices started coming out

      • IMS III: Endovascular Therapy (EVT) vs tPA alone?

        • Neutral study and was stopped early

          • Devices started coming out and getting better 

      • Sept 2014: MR. CLEAN was presented 

        • Showed benefit for LVO in the anterior circulation on CTA getting EVT

        • After this many studies came out 

          • Pooled data showed:

            • Patients do better neurologically and life saving

    • Extend time to treatment

      • DAWN (6-24 hrs) and DEFUSE (6-16 hrs)

        • CTP and MRI were used and looking at imaging mismatch

        • Immediately practice changing

        • CTP guided endovascular therapy

          • Penumbra and core is calculated with a mismatch ratio

          • Core infarct <70ml

          • Mismatch is >1.8

          • Mismatch volume is >15ml

          • No upper age limit

      • RESILIENT trial

        • Same study was replicated in Brazil with less availability

      • Extended window lytics:

        • Wake-up protocol

          • Acute stroke MRI with DWI and FLAIR sequences

          • MRI timing within 3.5 hours of symptom recognition

            • To enable treatment within 4.5 hours 

            • Patient must meet all other inclusion/exclusion criteria for tPA

            • These are rare patients 

    • Shortening the time to treatment

      • Mobile Stroke units

        • Ongoing trial at this time about outcomes and cost effectiveness

    • tPA vs TNK

      • TNK is less likely to be deactivated

      • It is more fibrin specific than tPA

      • A one time bolus

      • No major difference in first few studies, some studies may show it helps

    • MOST

      • Augmenting the tPA treatment with anti-platelet agents

    • Lytic + EVT vs EVT alone

      • SKIP - recent trial showed non-inferiority of EVT alone

      • 2 other are in process

    • Can reperfusion save lives?

      • Extend the people out to 10 years and a clear benefit is seen

      • Will see a survival benefit over time in years


R4 case follow-up WITH dr. gottula

Aortic Stenosis

  • Pathophysiology

    • 3rd most common cardiac disease (after CAD and HTN)

    • >85 years old: 48% of patients have AS

    • Symptomatic AS has a 25% / year mortality

    • Preload dependent state

    • Decreased stroke volume

      • Leads to LVH 

      • Then to diastolic dysfunction 

        • In AS: LVP is significantly higher than the aortic pressure 

  • Diagnosis

    • Physical Exam Findings: 

      • Loud of S2

      • Systolic crescendo-decrease murmur

        • Likelihood ratios are not great on PE findings

    • Ultrasound is used to grade AS

      • 3 things to measure: 

        • Functional valve area

        • Peak velocity

        • Gradient across the valve

      • AV continuous wave doppler to measure the AV VTI

        • Will give a peak velocity ( >2.5m/s is diagnostic of AS)

          • Mean gradient (>10 is mild)

      • Pulse Wave on the LVOT

        • Get the VTI

        • Ned the LVOT diameter to calculate the area (machine will do this)

    • Treatment

      • Symptomatic patients

        • Surgical

      • Medical management

        • Afterload reduction and modify risk factors

      • HTN

        • Must be cautious when modifying the blood pressure

        • Diuretics are not typically sufficient

        • CCB and BB have inotropy on an already overloaded ventricle

        • Vasodilators are dangerous in AS

        • Nitroprusside

          • Arteriodilator with an immediate onset and offset

          • Agent of choice

        • Vasodilators used only in:

          • Severe HTN and decompensated heart failure

            • Need invasive monitoring

            • Helps CI and stroke volume 

      • Hypotension

        • Vasopressor of choice

          • Phenylephrine

            • Increased the diastolic pressure which helps coronary perfusion

            • Reflex bradycardia

          • No epinephrine

            • Increases myocardial oxygen demand

            • Reflex tachycardia


r1 clinical treatment WITH dr. gillespie

See Dr. Gillespie’s full post here

 Acute Low Back Pain

  • Between 3-6 weeks and less, below rib cage and above gluteal folds

  • Nonspecific low back: no identifiable pathologic cause

  • Epidemiology

    • 2.4% of ED visits are back pain

    • 50-80% of adults will have a clinically significant back pain event

  • Treatment goals: 

    • Reduction of pain and disability

    • Setting expectations

    • Reassurance and Education 

    • Pharmacotherapy

  • Treatment options: 

    • NSAIDS

      • Evidence from 2020 Cochrane review 

        • Slightly increased improvement and reduction of pain

        • Disability reduction, high quality evidence

        • No difference in adverse events, low quality 

      • Return to work time interval

        • No clear difference vs placebo, very low quality evidence 

      • Combination therapy: 

        • 2015: Cyclobenzaprine or percocet 

          • One week follow up no improvement with the addition of percocet or flexeril

        • Acetaminophen

          • no improvement after one week with the addition of acetaminophen 

    • Lidocaine patches: 2005 pilot study

      • Follow up pain scores

        • Statistically significant

        • Showed improvement in life

      • Insufficient evidence but strong safety profile may provide significant benefit 

    • Skeletal muscle relaxants:

      • Improvement in pain and physical outcomes when solo therapy

        • Moderate to high quality evidence 

      • In combination therapy showed no improvement at one week 

      • Significant side effect profiles

        • Dizziness, drowsiness, work impairment 

      • 2019 Annals of Emergency Medicine

        • Addition to ibuprofen did not improve functionality or pain more than ibuprofen alone at one week follow up 

    • Acetaminophen 

      • No therapeutic efficacy in acute low back pain

      • Cochrane database in 2016

        • No benefit 

      • 2019 in Pain

        • Ineffective and no therapeutic benefit 

    • Steroids: 

      • Non-radicular low back pain: 

        • IV steroids showed not significant effect

        • Prednisone showed no therapeutic benefit 

    • Opiates: very limited literature for acute low back pain

      • 2015 JAMA did not show benefit when combined with ibuprofen

      • Yet frequently prescribed for the low back pain in the US ED’s

      • Minimal evidence but high potential for harm

    • Insufficient evidence

      • Injectables

      • Antidepressants

      • Anti-epileptics 

    • Acupuncture

      • Mild to moderate benefit in the ED setting in Australia

    • Temperature therapy

      • 2006 Cochrane:

        • Heat wrap shows some improvement in pain after 5 days

    • Patient education

      • 2 studies show that validating pain and education do help the pain

    • Spinal manipulation

      • Maybe for acute low back pain in up to 6 weeks

      • Vertebral Artery Dissection is a real risk

    • Physical therapy and exercise therapy

      • May help in chronic pain but no real benefit for acute low back pain

    • Massage

      • Mild improvement in pain


r2 cpc WITH drs. ijaz and roche

Chronic Salicylate Toxicity

  • There are multiple medications with ASA in them 

  • Acid-Base Imbalance

    • Normal pH with AG and low bicarb

      • Metabolic acidosis

    • pCO2 is low

      • Respiratory alkalosis

  • Epidemiology

    • 15000 cases per year

    • >60% are intentional

    • Toxic dose

      • 150mg/kg or 6.5g, whichever is less

  • Symptoms:

    • Tinnitus

    • Nausea and vomiting

    • Confusion

    • Tachypnea

  • Chronic Overdose

    • Mostly in older patients

    • Often due to therapeutic misadventures

      • Underlying disorders like chronic pain conditions play a role

    • Frequently unrecognized

    • Serum concentrations are intermediate elevation

    • Mortality

      • Is higher than acute OD due to delayed recognition

  • Pathophysiology

    • ASA stimulated the medulla causing hyperventilation 

    • Causes increases lactate

    • Increased fatty acid metabolism leading to a wide AG

    • Increased renal bicarb excretion

      • Metabolic acidosis

  • Toxic effects:

    • Serum pH determines level of non-ionized salicylate

      • Non-ionized is the more toxic form

      • Lower pH causes more of the non-ionized form

    • Chronicity

      • Suggests much higher tissue levels of salicylate

  • Treatment

    • Activated charcoal if taken acutely 

    • Bicarb bolus: 1-2mEq/kg

      • Infusion: D5W +150mEq @ 2x mIVF

      • Goal urine pH 7.5-8.0

    • Glucose

      • These patients have a neuroglycopenia

        • Need to supplement dextrose in the fluids and consider empiric D50 in AMS patients 

    • Potassium repletion:

      • Goal K >4.0

      • Add 20-40 mEq to Bicarb gtt

    • Dialysis: 

      • ASA >100, ASA >90 w/ renal dysfunction

      • If there is pulmonary or cerebral edema

      • Standard therapy fails    


r4 capstone WITH dr. hughes

Words Matter

  • What 

    • The words we choose

      • Sexualizing procedures 

        • On a patient’s worst day we are sexualizing something that we are doing to them, there are other ways to represent ‘exciting’ procedures

      • Words that bias providers in the EMR

        • Negative interactions 

          • Words like drug seeking and non-adherence were found to be used more in black patients in the EMR. 

          • Instead of Substance abuser change to “having substance use disorder”

            • The word abuser biased the physician to think the patient was personally culpable and in need of punitive measures vs other words

        • Neutral vs stigmatizing language

          • In patients with sickle cell disease:

            • A positive attitude toward the patients and how aggressive with treatment was measured

            • Neutral chart lead to physicians being more aggressive with treatment and positive

        • Documentation in the ED has been shown to bias the care on the inpatient side

        • Instead of using “the patient states” just write what the patient is describing

          • “State” as a word could bias the future providers 

        • Quotations 

          • For pain description is appropriate 

          • Though we often use them to use the patient’s words against them

  • How

    • How we deliver the words 

      • Setting

        • If delivering feedback should be in person to help provide actionable feedback

      • Non-verbal cues

        • Men

          • Lean into the conversation

          • Nodding is agreeing with the statement

        • Women

          • Sit back and “remove from situation”

          • Nodding is listening

        • Be mindful of

          • How you stand

          • If you’re rushing

          • How much eye contact you make

      • Tone

        • Empathy and authority together while running a resuscitation are key 

        • Nursing evaluations on the residents:

          • 51% of female residents rated negatively in competency

          • Only 20% of male residents were rated negatively

  • Why

    • Using words to inspire action

      • As physicians we have a platform build into our profession

      • Don’t need to have a passion in policy to inspire change

      • We should use our platform to help people and the passions we have 

      • Don’t be afraid to ruffle feathers 

        • But...pick your battles and come with solutions 


r3 small groups WITH drs. hunt, pulvino, and wolochatiuk

Admit, discharge, transfer w/ Dr. Wolochatiuk

  • 32 yo F that is 32 weeks pregnant with sudden R sided facial paralysis LKW 2 hours ago

    • Physical Exam

      • Cant wrinkle forehead with flattened nasolabial fold

      • No other CN deficits

      • No other findings on exam

    • Bell’s Palsy

      • Bilateral facial palsy=Lyme until proven otherwise

      • Bell’s is very common in the 3rd trimester and first week postpartum

      • Important to work up HELLP syndrome in these patients

      • Taste is not equal on both sides of the tongue in Bell’s vs norma in stroke

      • House-Brackmann grading will help determine treatments

    • Disposition:

      • Discuss with the patient’s OB and discharge

  • 65M with HTN on lisinopril coming in with dental pain

    • Physical Exam

      • Tongue and lip swelling started an hour ago

      • What else do you want to know?

        • Managing secretions?

        • Tongue space?

        • Voice muffled?

    • What to do?

      • NP Scope with a pre-loaded tube for possible intubation

    • Disposition:

      • No ENT

Transfer to a center for ENT evaluation

    • Angioedema: 2 types 

      • Bradykinin

      • Histaminergic

      • Treatment: 

        • H1 blockers

        • Steroids

        • Epinephrine

        • TXA:

          • Literature shows no help in the acute side, maybe in hereditary in prevention

  • 2 yo M with a Fever x4 days

    • Physical exam:

      • AOM 

      • Given antibiotics and discharged

    • Comes back in after 4 days on abx with swelling now

      • Physical exam:

        • Swelling and erythema behind the ear

        • Tender over the mastoid

        • Normal CN

      • Diagnosis

        • Mastoiditis 

      • Disposition

        • Transfer for peds ENT

          • may need a tympanostomy or mastoidectomy

    • Mastoiditis

      • Suppurative infection of the mastoid air cells

      • Usually complication of the OAM

      • No change in incidence with rescue prescriptions for AOM

      • Clinical diagnosis 

        • AOM on otoscopy

        • Inflamm changes over mastoid

        • Protudent mastoid

      • CT?

        • CT:

          • CNS involvement

          • CN involvement

          • Hx of cholesteatoma

      • Cover staph, strep, and H flu >>>Pseudomonas

        • Clinda

        • If MRSA concern:

          • Vanc+Ceftriaxone/unasyn

          • Vanc +zosyn in severe or chronic 

  • 55yoM with dental pain x 1 week hurts to chew 

    • Physical Exam

      • Fluctuance over the buccal surface

      • Fluctuance over the L maxillary molar 

      • What else do you want to know?

        • Trismus

        • CN Involvement

        • Submandibular or sublingual involvement 

    • Disposition?

      • Discharge after drainage with dental follow up in 48 hours

      • Periapical Dental Abscess Drainage:

        • Poke the area and milk it out

        • Provides a lot of relief 

Oral Boards Case w/ Dr. Pulvino 

  • Pain and swelling in the mouth with associated SOB

    • Febrile, tachycardic, tachypneic

  • Physical Exam

    • Swelling under the chin, feels more prominent in then neck

    • Floor of mouth is edematous 

  • Ludwig’s Angina

    • Severe and rapid cellulitis of the mouth and submandibular spaces

    • Swelling of soft tissue and displacement of the tongue posteriorly causing airway obstruction

    • Mortality is down to 8% due to antibiotics  

    • Most are odontogenic in etiology, especially from the molars

    • Management

      • Antibiotics

        • Unasyn, Clindamycin, PCN +/- metronidazole

      • Airway

        • Glycopyrrolate for secretion control

        • Afrin and lidocaine to prepare for fiberoptic intubation

        • Test narew with a NP airway to see what will work for ETT size

          • Lube the NP with the lidocaine 

        • Awake look with Ketamine and push paralytics once view is obtained 

        • Prep the neck ahead of the intubation

        • ENT consult and airway management 

      • Steroids may help avoid the need for airway management

Epistaxis with Dr. Hunt

  • Epidemiology

    • 60% of adults will have one episode in their lifetime

      • 10% will need medical attention

    • More likely in men than women

      • Thought that estrogen helps provide a healthy mucosa

  • Anatomy

    • Anterior is 90%

      • From Kiesselbach's plexus

    • Posterior is 10%

      • Significant morbidity 

      • From sphenopalatine artery and branches of the carotid artery

  • Many different causes

    • Trauma (nose pickers)

    • Cocaine use

    • HTN

    • Coagulopathy

    • Lack of humidity

    • Chronic vasoconstrictor (afrin) use

    • Malignancy (esp in the Asian population)

    • Renal/liver insufficiency 

  • Initial assessment

    • ABCs 

      • Can have hemorrhagic shock from the nose bleed 

    • Vitals, H&P

      • Medical problems

      • Any anti-coagulation

    • Exam

      • Use full PPE to protect your eyes and mouth

      • Patient positioned in sniffing position and not head tilted backwards

      • Nasal speculum

        • Allows better visualization on the area

        • Insert up to the nose and then back to the toes to avoid the turbinates

      • Fraser tip suction

        • allows better suction

      • Light source to see what your doing

    • Management

      • Vasoconstriction and direct pressure

        • Blow nose and apply Afrin (oxymetazoline)

        • Direct Pressure for 15 min

          • Hold the ala, not the bony portion

          • Nose clip to help with compliance 

      • Cauterization

        • Silver nitrate

          • Avoid doing both nares

        • Small areas

          • Go from periphery to the center

      • TXA

        • RCT in 2019 

          • 135 TXA and compression vs nasal packing vs simple nasal compression

          • TXA as effective as anterior packing and decreases rebleeding rates

      • Anterior packing

        • Painful and uncomfortable

          • Patients may need anxiolysis for appropriate packing

          • Important to anesthetize the area

        • Will need 24-48 hours follow up with ENT

        • Merocel

          • Nasal tampon-flat fabric with strings

          • Dip in lubricant and wait until fully in the nares then inflate it

        • Gauze

          • Use bayonet forceps and shove in until no more can be added

        • Rapid rhino

          • 5cm for anterior bleeds and 7.5cm for posterior bleeds

          • Dip in sterile water prior to insertion

        • Antibiotics

          • Reasonable to withhold abx though 

          • Should be given to immunocompromised and those with valvular heart disease

          • 2014 analysis of 3 studies

            • showed no TSS or otitis media

      • Uncontrolled bleeding

        • High likelihood of posterior bleed

        • ENT consult 

        • Admission