Grand Rounds Recap 11.2.22


Morbidity and mortality WITH Dr. zalesky

Case 1: Diabetic Foot Infections

  • Swabs must be obtained in proper manner to be clinically useful 

  • Wound Classification

    • PEDIS Score: predicts 6 month risk of amputation and mortality in diabetic foot ulcers

      • Perfusion

      • Extent

      • Depth

      • Infection

      • Sensation

    • Signs of infection: erythema, warmth, tenderness, induration, purulence

    • Uninfected: no signs of infection

    • Mild: ≥ 2 signs of infection & erythema ≤ 2 cm

    • Moderate: > 2cm erythema or deeper structures

    • Severe: SIRS criteria & local infection

  • Antibiotic coverage

    • Mild: Need to cover standard GP, GN

      • Cephalexin

      • Amoxicillin-clavulanate

      • Doxycycline or TMP-SMX for MRSA

      • What about pseudomonas?

        • “Empiric therapy directed at P. aeruginosa is usually unnecessary except for patients with risk factors for true infection with this organism”

    • Moderate-Severe

      • Ampicillin-sulbactam

      • Ertapenem

      • Vancomycin

      • Piperacillin-tazobactam

    • Pseudomonas

      • <10% of wounds

      • Often improved without coverage

      • IDSA: do not need empiric coverage from start except:

        • People who have been soaking their feet

        • Severe infection

        • Failure of treatment

  • Summary:

    • Diabetic foot infections have crucial information to be conveyed to predict long-term outcome

    • IDSA classification for severity can help guide management

    • Treatment should cover GP and GN organisms

    • Pseudomonas is likely less important than typically thought

    • Severe illness needs broad antibiotics, admission, and has high likelihood of amputation

Case 2: ED Population and Death by Suicide

  • 45,979 Death by suicide in the US in 2020

  • 40% of patients who die by suicide had contact with an ED

  • 2x ED patients are likely to die by suicide in the next year

  • Suicide rates by 100,000 person years after ED visit

    • 693 suicide attempt/self harm

    • 384 suicidal ideation

    • 23 control

  • Risk Factors

    • History of suicide attempts

    • Previous psychiatric diagnosis

    • Recent psychosocial stressor

    • Older age

    • Current lethal plan

    • Caucasian race

  • Modified SAD PERSONS Scale

    • Sex

    • Age

    • Depression/hopelessness

    • Previous suicide attempt

    • Excessive EtOH/SUD

    • Rational thinking loss

    • Single, widowed, divorced

    • Organized plan/attempt

    • No social support

    • Stated future intent

  • Universal screening tools are available: Columbia screener, patient safety screener, ED-SAFE, ICARE2

  • Summary: Death by suicide

    • The incidence of patients dying by suicide is increasing

    • The ED population is at higher risk than the general population

    • Those with an ED visit for SI or self harm at highest risk

    • Most ED screening tools have not been shown to be sensitive or specific

    • ACEP resources: https://www.acep.org/patient-care/iCar2e

Case 3: Respiratory Impact of Spinal Immobilization

  • FEV1: volume of air exhaled in first second → Decrease by 10%

  • FVC: total air that can be forced out during maximal effort → Decrease by 4%

  • 20% of bed tilt did not improve FEV1 or FVC

  • Healthy patients do not usually decompensate from C-collar application but be cautious in patients with underlying respiratory pathology

  • Summary:

    • Spinal immobilization is not benign

    • C-collars and spine boards can decrease lung function in a clinically meaningful way in vulnerable populations

    • C-collars do not decrease oxygenation or ventilation in healthy trauma patients

Case 4: Substance Use Disorder and Trauma

  • Persons with SUD visits accounted for annual average of 7.3% of ED visits and 8.0% of hospitalizations

  • Head trauma and the intoxicated patient

    • 9% of intoxicated patients with signs of injury above the clavicles had an ICH with 8% being deemed clinically important

      • SAH

      • IPH

      • SDH

      • Epidural

    • Worse sensitivity for tools used on intoxicated patients:

      • Canadian head CT tool: 73% sensitive

      • NEXUS head CT tool: 86% sensitive

  • Summary: Substance Use and Trauma

    • Persons with SUD represent a large portion of ED population

    • Patient with SUD present more frequently for traumatic injuries

    • Clinically significant head injuries often occur with intoxicated patients

    • Respect abnormal vital signs in intoxicated patients

Case 5: Thoracic Outlet Syndrome

  • Variants

    • Neurogenic: most common cause 90%

    • Venous: 10%

    • Arterial: <1%

  • Neurogenic

    • Can see color change and coldness due to overactive sympathetic nervous system whose fibers run on the circumference of the nerve roots

    • Initially managed with physical therapy

    • Medical therapy- interscalene injections of anesthetic agents, steroids, botox 

  • Venous

    • Overhead sport athletes can develop this from repetitive shoulder hyperabduction and external rotation that can compress axillary-subclavian veins

    • Management: can involve systemic anticoagulation, extremity rest and elevation, catheter-directed thrombolysis 

  • Arterial

    • Most common presentation: hand ischemia with pain, pallor, paresthesia, coldness

      • Symptoms due to arterial thromboembolization from mural thrombus from subclavian artery or subclavian aneurysm

    • Physical exam:

      • May reveal absence of distal upper extremity pulses

      • Delayed cap refill

      • Ischemia to distal fingers

      • May have tender supraclavicular prominence, palpable pulsation of supraclavicular artery, audible supraclavicular bruit when arm is placed in a position of arterial compression

      • Overhand exercise test: patient raise both arms overhead and rapidly flex and extend the fingers

        • Provocative test that suggest arterial insufficiency

        • Positive test: heaviness, fatigue, numbness, tingling, skin blanching, or discoloration within 20 seconds

  • Summary: Arterial Thoracic Outlet Syndrome

    • Thoracic outlet syndrome is a constellation of neurologic, venous, or arterial compression

    • Arterial is the most rare often presenting with pain and paresthesias of the hand

    • Cervical ribs or anomalous first ribs are common

    • Most provocative tests are not helpful but arterial exercise test and ULTT have been described

    • Examining the neck and subclavian area can also be helpful

Case 6: Multiple Sclerosis patient with expedited work-up

  • Always be weary of pending tests

  • Going the extra mile for your patients can make a difference

  • What you do matters


r4 case follow-up WITH Dr. Meigh

  • Central Vertigo:

    • Posterior circulation stroke/TIA

    • Vestibular migraine

    • Neoplasm

    • Demyelinating disease

    • Brainstem encephalitis

  • Peripheral

    • BPPV

    • Vestibular neuritis

    • Labyrinthitis 

    • Meniere’s disease

    • Medication ototoxicity

    • Otitis media

    • Ramsay Hunt Syndrome

  • ATTEST Method: Definitions

    • Acute Vestibular Syndrome (AVS): acute, continuous dizziness lasting days, accompanied by nausea, vomiting, nystagmus, head motion intolerance, & gait unsteadiness

      • Benign causes: vestibular neuritis, labyrinthitis

      • Serious causes: posterior circulation stroke, multiple sclerosis

    • Spontaneous Episode Vestibular Syndrome (s-EVS): episodic dizziness that occurs spontaneously and is not triggered (lasts minutes to hours)

      • Benign causes: vestibular migraine, Meniere’s

      • Serious causes: TIA

    • Triggered Episodic Vestibular Syndrome (t-EVS): episodic dizziness brought on by a specific, obligate trigger (typically head turning or standing up), usually lasting <1 minute

      • Benign causes: BPPV

      • Serious causes: CPPV, orthostatic hypotension

  • HINTS exam= Head Impulse, Nystagmus, Test of Skew

    • Only use in patients with acute vestibular syndrome

      • Persistent vertigo

      • Nystagmus

    • Used to distinguish between peripheral and central causes of vertigo

    • Head Impulse

      • Positive test: corrective saccade = peripheral

      • Negative test: no saccade = suggest of central cause

    • Nystagmus

      • Central: bidirectional, rotary, torsional nystagmus

      • Peripheral: unidirectional (fast phase only even in one direction)

    • Test of Skew

      • Positive test: skew deviation = central

      • Negative test: no skew deviation = peripheral

  • Be aware of relying on age and risk factors

    • In largest prospective study in AVS, 25% of ischemic stroke were in patients < 50 years old

      • Most commonly vertebral artery dissection in younger population

      • 50% of vertebral dissections occur without trauma

    • Young females at highest risk of being misdiagnosed

  • Imaging

    • Non-contrast Head CT

      • Estimated to be 21% sensitive

      • 4% of posterior strokes hemorrhagic

    • Diffusion-weighted MRI

      • False negatives more common than thought in early posterior circulation stroke (<48 hours)- sensitive about 83% in one estimate

      • Specificity 97%

    • CTA

      • Particularly useful if concerned for vertebrobasilar artery dissection

      • May demonstrate arterial occlusion

  • Thrombolysis in pregnancy

    • Pregnancy is an exclusion criteria for RCTs on tPA; historically a relative contraindication

    • tPA does not cross the placenta- teratogenicity or fetal hemorrhage risk thought to be low

    • Most literature exists in case reports

    • Likely a risk-benefit discussion with the stroke team based on severity of deficits and bleeding risk

  • Dissection treatment: intracranial vs extracranial

    • Extracranial: 

      • Thrombolysis is okay

      • Antiplatelet or anticoagulation therapy- several trials performed to determine which is superior; data appear inconclusive

    • Intracranial

      • Thrombolysis more controversial but still performed

      • Higher risk of SAH

      • Recommend starting antiplatelet therapy over anticoagulation (delay 24h if TNK given)


Social Emergency medicine grand rounds WITH dr. diaz and dr. jarrell

  •  Language Justice: evolving framework based on the notion of respecting every individual’s fundamental language rights- to be able to communicate, understand, and be understood in the language in which they prefer and feel most articular and powerful

  • Limited English Proficiency: individuals who do not speak English as their primary language and who have a limited ability to read, speak, write, or understand English can be limited English proficient, or “LEP.” 

    • These individuals may be entitled to language assistance with respect to a particular type or service, benefit, or encounter

  • More definitions

    • Interpretation: spoken language assistance

    • Interpreter: a person who interprets, especially one who translates speech orally

    • Translation: written language assistance

    • Translator: person who provides written language assistance by translating one language into another

    • Ad hoc interpreter: family member or friend of the patient providing spoken language assistance

    • Interpreters mediate languages orally while translator work with the written material

  • Why is this important?

    • Title VI of the Civil Rights Act of 1964

    • Title VI regulations, prohibiting discrimination based on national origin

    • Executive order 13166 issued in 2000- “Improving Access to Services for Persons with Limited English Proficiency”

  • Google Translate instructions in the ED

    • Google translate instructions in the ED are inconsistent between languages and should not be relied on for patient instructions

  • Phrasing matters

    • “Do you speak English?”

    • Instead, ask “Do you prefer English or another language?”

  • Tips on using a interpreter

    • Speak to the patient, not the interpreter

    • Speak in short sentences

    • Explain a physical exam before doing one

    • Explain next steps

    • Provide reassurance and discharge instructions


r1 clinical diagnostics: complications with immunotherapy WITH dr. rodriguez

  • Chemotherapy: the treat of a disease by the use of chemical substances by cytotoxic and other drugs

  • Immunotherapy: a form of treatment that uses the body’s own defenses to fight disease

  • Neutropenic fever

    • Who: patients on chemotherapy

    • Neutropenia: ANC <500 or expected to decline to <500 within 48 hours

    • Fever: single oral temperature > 38.3C or 101F OR at least 38C (100.4F) for at least 1 hour

  • What is immunotherapy?

    • Concept: A form of treatment that uses the body’s own defenses to fight disease

    • Immunosuppression: transplant rejection prophylaxis, autoimmune disorders

    • Activation: cancer treatment

    • Everyone on immunotherapy is NOT immunocompromised

  • Types of immunotherapy

    • Monoclonal antibodies

    • Checkpoint inhibitors

    • Cellular therapy (CAR-T)

    • Tumor infiltrating lymphocytes

    • Cancer treatment vaccines

    • Oncologic virus therapy

  • Immune related adverse events: term we would otherwise use for “adverse effects”

    • Most commonly presenting to the ED: diarrhea, colitis, dermatitis, pneumonitis, hypophysitis

    • Most feared complication: pneumonitis

    • Most common complication: diarrhea

  • Diagnostics depend on patient’s chief complaint and symptoms

  • Treatment: steroids (in consultation with specialist), supportive therapies

  • Example A: CAR-T

    • FDA approval for pediatric acute lymphoblastic leukemia (mostly B cell lymphomas) and adult advanced lymphoma that are resistant to standard therapies

    • Common Adverse Reactions

      • Cytokine release storm: fever, hypotension, hypoxia, multiorgan failure

        • Often confused for sepsis

        • Dx: CBC, CMP, mag, phos, CRP, LDH, ferritin, uric acid, fibrinogen, PT/PTT, INR, blood cx, urine cx, CXR

        • Management: IVF, O2, antipyretics, antihistamines

        • In life threatening cases can give tocilizumab

      • Neurotoxicity: fever, aphasia, AMS, motor weakness, seizures, cerebral edema

        • Can mimic stroke and meningitis

        • Dx: CBC, CMP, ferritin, fibrinogen, MRI or CT, LP, HIV, RPR

        • Management: supportive therapies + seizure prophylaxis

  • Example B: Immune Checkpoint Inhibitors

    • Common adverse events

      • Rash: 

        • Maculopapular rash with pruritus

        • Eczematous

        • Blistering reaction (SJS/TEN)

        • Dx: Hx, physical exam CBC, BMP

        • Management: oral antihistamines or topical steroids

      • Diarrhea

        • Diarrhea

        • Abdominal pain

        • Hematochezia

        • Weight loss

        • Fever

        • Vomiting

        • Can lead to colitis, perforation, and death

        • Dx: CBC, BMP, TSH, LFTs, lipase, CT A/P 

        • Management: monitor for dehydration, electrolyte imbalances, +/- give antibiotics

      • Pneumonitis

        • Flu-like symptoms

        • Dyspnea

        • Hypoxia

        • Crackles

        • Chest tightness

        • Dx: CBC, BMP, CXR, CT chest w/ contrast, COVID, blood cultures, UA

        • Management: O2, fluid resuscitation, high dose corticosteroids

    • Symptoms can present up to 2 years later

  • Take home points:

    • Immunotherapy does not mean immunocompromised

    • Patients can present with vague complaints

      • Look out for pneumonitis, colitis, neurotoxicity (depending on the agent)

    • Involve heme/onc early


R3 Taming the SRU with Dr. Stevens

Case: Necrotizing Pneumonia 

  • Presentation 

    • Ill appearing, toxic, rapid decline

    • Septic shock within 72 hours

    • Involves multiple lobes

  • Diagnostics

    • CT: patchy inflammation with lack of perfusion and microabscesses

    • Microabscesses may coalesce to form large cavities

    • Can progress to lobar gangrene

  • Management and Complications

    • Typically caused by Strep pneumoniae and Staph aureus

    • Less commonly: Klebsiella, Haemophilus, and Pseudomonas

    • Thoracic surgery consult for surgical debridement

  • Lung abscess

    • Indolent course

    • Single cavity with fibrous capsule

    • Anaerobes from mouth

    • Outpatient antibiotics

    • May need percutaneous drainage if failed medical therapy

  • Pulmonary Gangrene

    • Obliteration of pulmonary artery supply to segment or lobe associated with large cavities and necrotic parenchyma

    • Caused by Klebsiella and Pseudomonas aeruginosa but may also occur in Strep pneumoniae

    • Requires surgical debridement of sloughed lung parenchyma